Secular Koranist laws are inconsistent and stupid

Claire Khaw (here) is the chief ideologue of a form of government which she has invented called "Secular Koranism" which she believes can compete with Islam's Sharia and Noahide Law in the West, she is so sure Westerners would prefer her theocracy to any other. Khaw hangs her bet on the fact that presumably her theocracy would be the most appealing because her theocracy is the most "liberal". Claire calls her ideology "Secular Koranism" because its legal system is based only on the Quran and not the Hadiths or other texts used to formulate Sharia law in mainstream Islam. According to Khaw the Quran does not demand a belief in god and does not forbid idolatry. So according to Claire, the Secular Koranist government would rule under an agnostic regime and everyone would have freedom of religion. 

However, there are a few pesky verses in the Quran that Khaw likes to overlook. While the Quran might not forbid idolatry, it does most definitely forbid eating food sacrificed to idols:

He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. - Quran 2:173

There is another problem, as in the Quran it is forbidden to marry a polytheist:

And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember. - Quran 2:221

So what is Claire going to do? Is she going to allow all other forms of idolatry besides eating food sacrificed to idols? Isn't that kind of random and stupid? And what about not being able to marry polytheists, how could that be applied in a society that allows so-called "freedom of religion"? Claire tries to make up for this absurdity by declaring that the commands against the eating of food sacrificed to idolaters and the command not to marry polytheists would only apply to Muslims in her society. But wait... can Muslims only not eat the food sacrificed to idols, but can they practice all other forms of idolatry... the Quran doesn't say they can't, it only says they can't eat food sacrificed to idols, isn't that just ridiculous?

Claire actually believes that Muslims and Westerners would both approve of a legal system that has different laws for Muslims and non-Muslims. So a non-Muslim can marry a polytheist but a Muslim can't? A non-Muslim can eat food sacrificed to an idol, but a Muslim can't... but they can still both worship an idol together? Who on earth would accept such an absurd, unequal and stupid system?

Ask Noah OFFICIALLY declares Claire Khaw's "Secular Koranism" NOT Noahide compliant

Update 01/29/20 - Chabad Declare Secular Koranism NOT Noahide Compliant! (Scroll to end)

I have written about Claire Khaw on this blog before (here) and have debated her on her governmental system "Secular Koranism" in regards to whether it is Noahide compliant or not (see first video below). The problem with Claire's Secular Koranism is that it does not forbid idolatry or blasphemy since there is no specific command to outlaw these in the Koran (she does not accept Hadiths or other non-Koranic texts), nor does Secular Koranism ask followers to believe in god, a requirement of the Noahide laws. The Noahide laws specifically state that idolatry and blasphemy must be forbidden for a legal or religious system to be Noahide compliant. Even though it is obvious that Secular Koranism does not meet the minimum requirements of the Noahide Law, Claire refused to give in and did nothing but throw these obvious arguments out the window. 

Debate With Claire As To Whether
Secular Koranism is Noahide Compliant Or Not

This debate went so far that I decided to inquire at the website www.AskNoah.org. Ask Noah is the official representative of the authoritative book on Noahide Law, The Divine Code by Rabbi Moshe Weiner, which received official endorsement from the Chief Rabbinate of Israel (here). Here is what I wrote to Ask Noah:

Dear Ask Noah,  

I am having a dispute with a women named Claire Khaw as to whether her ideology is Noahide compliant or not. Claire is not a Muslim proper but calls herself a "Secular Koranism" as she only allows the Koran to be used in developing Sharia rather then non-Koranic texts. According to Claire, you can be an agnostic and still follow her system. She also states that since the Koran does not call for the punishment of idolaters and blasphemers that she would allow this to be practiced openly without penalty. She would also not execute homosexuals but only give them lashes. If she does not ask her followers to believe in god, would allow open idolatry and blasphemy, and would not execute homosexuals, isn't her ideology of Secular Koranism NOT Noahide compliant. Please this is important as Claire is preaching that her system is in line with the Noahide Laws and is misleading people.  

Thank You Vishnu (Vincent)

Here was Ask Noah's initial response which was sent by the Executive Director Michael Shulman:

If her "Secular Koranism" says that something is permissible in G-d's eyes that's forbidden by the specific 7 Noahide Laws, then it's not Noahide compliant. So if it says (for example) that homosexual male intercourse, or cursing the Tetragrammaton Name of G-d in Hebrew, or worshiping an idol, is actually permissible, then it is not Noahide compliant.

After this pronouncement I did a victory stream with youtube personality Dooovid to announce the Rabbis decree (below):

Victory Stream With Dooovid
Over The Rabbi's Pronouncement

During the victory stream Rabbi Shulman emailed me again with an additional paragraph which made it clear that Secular Koranism is NOT Noahide compliant:

The fact that "Secular Koranism" is clearly being promoted as "secular" seems to put it out of the category of the Noahide Code. The Noahide Code is given by G-d, with divine commandments, and therefore it's non-secular by definition.

After this, you will not believe, but Claire wrote a blog post stating that the Rabbi had done the very opposite and had declared Secular Koranism IS Noahide compliant. She twisted the Rabbi's words in one paragraph where he stated that an atheist who still follows the Noahide laws cannot be tried by a Noahide court. Claire twisted this to mean that a system like hers can be agnostic and still be Noahide compliant when this is not what the Rabbi said. He did not say the system is Noahide compliant but only that an atheist who follows the Noahide laws regardless cannot be executed. Claire Khaw took another paragraph which stated that a Noahide court need not punish transgressions with execution if a non-lethal punishment is sever enough to deter the public. Claire made this look like the Rabbi endorsed her reasoning that idolaters and blasphemers need not be punished, when the Rabbi made it clear they still need to be punished in some way for the system to be Noahide compliant:

https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2020/01/rabbi-declares-secular-koranism-to-be.html

Sunday, 26 January 2020

Rabbi declares Secular Koranism to be Noahide-compliant

https://ask.fm/oneparty4all/answers/160235042433

https://www.noahide-academy.com/our_team/schulman

Claire, how can you say the Secular Koranism is Noahide compliant when, unlike mainstream Islam, you would allow open idolatry and blasphemy and would not execute homosexuals?

Because Islam based on the Koran has been regarded as Noahide-compliant for centuries.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-seven-noachide-laws

In view of the strict monotheism of Islam, Muslims were considered as Noachides whereas the status of Christians was a matter of debate.

Dr Michael Schulman, Executive Director of Ask Noah International and https://asknoah.org says:

If someone does not transgress any of the 7 Laws, but he does not believe in G-d, he is exempt from punishment by an earthly Noahide court.

If Secular Koranism says that the things [in the specific 7 Laws] are forbidden, and that they are punishable by a "Secular-Koranism" court, but only by a punishment that is lighter than execution, [then Secular Koranism] is compliant [if the specified punishment is a real deterrent].

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=15
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=16
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=24&verse=2

Due to her obvious lies and misrepresentation, Rabbi Shulman, executive director of Ask Noah, wrote an official open letter to Claire which was posted on the Ask Noah website. Here is what the Rabbi said:

https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/rebuttal-of-claims-that-secular-koranism-is-noahide-compliant.pdf

B”H Globally promoting and teaching the 7 Laws of Noah - the Moral Code to unite all Mankind 

1 Shevat 5780 / 27 January 20′20 

Open letter to Claire Khaw (C.K.) and https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/ 

I write in response to C.K.’s misrepresentation of my position about her concept of “Secular Koranism,” on her web page https://radicalisedrabbi.blogspot.com/2020/01/rabbi-declares-secular-koranism-to-be.html This response is posted at this URL: https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/rebuttal-of-claims-that-secular-koranism-is-noahide-compliant.pdf 

The following are quotes from my statements in recent emails to her, with clarifications added in brackets: 

1. On 27 January 20′20: 

“...the web site https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ does not represent the Torah law” [as to whether believers in any non-Torah religion are considered or regarded as Noahides].  

[It is a project of AICE: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/about-aice. Quoting from that page:]  

“The American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE) was established in 1993 as a nonprofit and nonpartisan organization to strengthen the U.S.-Israel relationship by emphasizing the fundamentals of the alliance — the values our nations share.” 

“Here is a correct restatement of those issues, in the view of Torah law: ‘In the view of the strict monotheism of Islam, Muslims were considered as non-idolaters...’ ” 

2. On 26 January 20′20, I wrote this conditional statement: 

“If Secular Koranism says that the things [in the specific 7 Laws] are forbidden, and that they are punishable by a ‘Secular-Koranism’ court, but only by a punishment that is lighter than execution, [then Secular Koranism] is compliant [if the specified punishment is a real deterrent]. If a court system [such as proposed in Secular Koranism] only punishes for transgressions of some of the 7 Laws, but not others ... then it [the court system] is in partial compliance [with the Noahide commandment to establish courts of law], but not full compliance.” 

C.K. then responded in her reply: 

“The Quran admonishes blasphemy, but does not specify any worldly punishment for blasphemy.” 

To which I responded on 27 January 20′20: 

“That makes it [the Quran and Secular Koranism] not Noahide compliant, in regard to the Torahbased definition of the capital sin of blasphemy [i.e. speaking a curse against G-d, using His most holy Name in Hebrew]” 

Conclusions: C.K. has misrepresented my position. Secular Koranism fully exempts some violations of the 7 Noahide Commandments from liability to any worldly punishment. That alone makes it not compliant with the Noahide Code, even if its courts are in partial compliance. And the fact that Secular Koranism is clearly being promoted as “secular” puts it out of the category of the Noahide Code. The Noahide Laws are given by G-d as divine commands within the Torah. Authentic Noahide observance is therefore not secular, and is based on the complete truth of the Chumash being G-d’s word given through Moses. 

Dr. Michael Schulman
Executive Director, Ask Noah International and Asknoah.org

So the executive director of Ask Noah, which officially represents the text "The Divine Code" with its officially endorsement by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel has officially declared Secular Kornism to be NOT Noahide compliant and has called out Claire on her lies!

UPDATES
01/29/20
Chabad.org declares Secular Koranism NOT Noahide Compliant

From: Lazer Danzinger | Chabad.org <mail_co5757179_4585054@chabad.org>Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 11:38 AM
Subject: Chabad.org: Feedback { Ref. No. 5005434 }
To: justanotherhindu@gmail.com <justanotherhindu@gmail.com>

Hi,
I am in dialogue with Claire presently. If you have a question, please feel free to ask. Noahism is definitely predicated on the affirmation of the belief of God. Idolatry and cursing of God are clearly not allowed. 

Let me know if this helps.
Lazer---- Rabbi Lazer Danzinger for Chabad.org